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Shooting in Texas - 19 Children and 2 Adults Dead

Universal background checks are supported by 90% of this country. If Congress can just pass *THAT* it would not solve the problem 100%, but it's a fucking start. Doing nothing is NOT an option!!!!


Assault weapons MUST BE BANNED.... AGAIN.
In Texas, anyone over 18 can just buy a gun, shoot their grandmother and then go to an elementary school and murder 19 children.
Thank you Fuckhead Abbot. Thank you Dumbshit Cruz.


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I am sorry I have to say it.

GUN CONTROL NOW! What part of this do you Americans not get. Seriously how the fuck are these 18 year old little shit for brain kids getting these damn things. The USA is the only developed country in the world that does not have strict gun laws (Then again you guys use medieval measurement systems too).

And its bloody Texas too, what a surprise, the most backwards and hee haw state in the Union - although surprised its Hispanic people and not usual obese Stetson hatted redneck screaming Yahhoo!! while shooting his gunses in the air.

Come on, I know y'all love shooting guns and shit, but HOW MANY MORE people need to die for this insanity?
 
Biden could take action. Today. Immediately, he could put tight checks in place. I doubt he will, but it's his chance to show he's serious about change. I doubt he will, but he should.
 
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know what to say what hasn't been said already in this thread or over the years after every other mass shooting. I've read comments on FB saying that "it's not a gun crisis, it's a mental health crisis." Okay sherlock, then wouldn't you agree that the next logical thought process would be to stop mentally ill people from obtaining guns that easily? No, because "I've got the right to carry" and "But the second amendment." Plenty of other countries have a mental health crisis, there's multiple things going on in different countries, but america is the only one where mass shootings happen on at least a weekly basis. It is absolutely crazy. How can the right to carry a gun be more important than one human life? If Biden doesn't take action NOW then he's all talk and no business. It's a shame. Those were kids. Little children. I thought the republicans care so much about their lives.
 
Biden is not a Republican. Biden cannot single-handedly change the law (especially state laws). Biden cannot alter the U.S. Constitution (even if it is being poorly interpreted). Whatever he can do, he should do - but he cannot single-handedly write and pass the legistlation needed to MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. We live in a Democracy not an autocracy, and yet, despite the fact that tighter gun legislation is supported by 90% of the people in the U.S., 51% of our elected representatives refuse to act. CONSERVATIVE representatives (mostly Rep but a couple Dem) are in bed with the increasingly corrupt National Rifle Association (NRA) who fund the campaigns for Republican candidates and said 10 years ago after the Sandy Hook murders "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." The 'good guys' (local law enforcement) couldn't take down the shooter in Texas fast enough, cuz he was using a weapon that causes severe and immediate damage and he was in body armor.

When Congress held a Republican majority, legislators ALLOWED the ban on assault weapons to expire. Weapons designed specifically to kill human beings on the battlefield. The "party of LIFE" chooses not to make it more difficult for mentally ill 18 year olds to go into a store on their 18th birthday (which is legal in the state of Texas), buy AR 15s and body armor, shoot his grandmother and then enter an elementary school and slaughter babies. WHAT THE FUCK?! This is not about the fucking 2nd Amendment. The Founding Fathers who wrote the U.S. Constitution did not design the law to make is easier for babies to be shot in schools - and yet, just enough citizens have been manipulated into thinking that their "right to bear arms" in the Constitution means just that. :mad:

Forces of evil, the power hungry - the greedy (see Ted Cruz, see Mitch McConnell, see Joe Manchin, see Kristin Seninma, see Gov Greg Abbott, see Donald Trump, and the ist goes on...) - have figured out how to manipulate just enough of the population so that just the right amount of political puppets are elected (gerrymandered) into the federal and state governments ... and so we have these tragedies.

The parents of those babies and the families of those slain adults need to look the likes of Ted Cruz smack in the eye and say FUCK YOU ALL TO HELL . And the people need to fucking wake up, rise and elect the leaders who will do the right thing. Maybe it means having our children gunned down in schools over and over. Maybe it means having these legistlator's children gunned down in school. I would have thought so after Newtown... but then again, I am not am not in the manipulated minority.

A long as Republican-controlled state (and federal) legistlators refuse to support and enforce sensible guns laws, the United States is completely fucked.
 
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maplenpg said:
Biden could take action. Today. Immediately, he could put tight checks in place. I doubt he will, but it's his chance to show he's serious about change. I doubt he will, but he should.
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If U.S. Presidents had that kind of power & control, don't you think Obama would have done it after Newtown/Sandy Hook?

- Universal background checks for gun purchases was voted down in the Republican majority congress.
- The ban on military-style assualt weapons was allowed to expire in a majority Republican congress.
- The currenlty corrupt NRA supports a majority Republican congress.

Get it?
 
THIS!

(David Frum, The Atlantic May 25, 2022)


Every other democracy makes some considerable effort to keep guns away from dangerous people, and dangerous people away from guns. For many years—and especially since the massacre at Connecticut’s Sandy Hook Elementary School almost a decade ago—the United States has put more and more guns into more and more hands: 120 guns per 100 people in this country. The years of the pandemic have been the years of the greatest gun sales in U.S. history: almost 20 million guns sold in 2020; another 18.5 million sold in 2021. No surprise, those two years also witnessed a surge in gun violence: the spectacular human butchery of our recurring mass slaughters; the surge of one-on-one lethal criminality; the unceasing tragic toll of carelessness as American gun owners hurt and kill their loved ones and themselves.

Most of us are appalled. But not enough of us are sufficiently appalled to cast our votes to halt it. And those to whom Americans entrust political power, at the state and federal levels, seem determined to make things worse and bloodier. In the next few weeks, the U.S. Supreme Court will deliver its opinion in the case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen, a decision that could strike down concealed-carry bans even in the few states that still have them. More guns, more places, fewer checks, fewer protections: Since Sandy Hook, this country has plunged backward and downward toward barbarism.

Since then, of course, things have only gotten worse. Can it be different this time? Whether any particular killer proves to be a racist, a jihadist, a sexually frustrated incel, or a randomly malignant carrier of sorrow and grief, can Americans ever break the pattern of empty thoughts, meaningless prayers, and more and worse bloodshed to follow?

The lobbying groups and politicians who enable these killers will dominate the federal courts and state governments, as they do today, until the mighty forces of decency and kindness in American life say to the enablers:

“That’s enough! This must stop—and we will stop you.”
 
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If U.S. Presidents had that kind of power & control, don't you think Obama would have done it after Newtown/Sandy Hook?

- Universal background checks for gun purchases was voted down in the Republican majority congress.
- The ban on military-style assualt weapons was allowed to expire in a majority Republican congress.
- The currenlty corrupt NRA supports a majority Republican congress.

Get it?
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Thanks Dimi, I'll stay out of the thread, I'm not well versed in the details of American politics. Thanks for the details. Thoughts as always with the victims of these terrible atrocities.
 
All these posts are great and make so many important points. And,... there is a war going on - internal, covert battles in many countries, including the U.S., with shades of cultural difference between each. I'm drifting away from the thread topic and trying to step back a tiny step to look at the big picture.

In the US, the GOP wages this war, primarily. It was expressly stated by grover norquist ,
(not this cute fella, the drown-gov't-in-a-bathtub one) way back in the 90s. It's been exploited by other countries who wish us ill and the gop has morphed to an unrecognizable thing - intent on authoritarian, anti-democratic rule and intent on tearing everything down along the way, to cater to powerful, moneyed interests. Do all the gop still wear American flag lapel pins? I remember when not wearing an american flag lapel pin marked a congressperson for outraged excoriation, all a big scam by the gop. Everyone in Congress had to wear them, as if that made one patriotic.

While the shadow war rages on many fronts (roe vs. wade, replacement theory, critical race theory, anti-LGBTQ, voter suppression, gun control, taxation, mask mandates, packing the supreme court and so on), it's all of a piece. Like deaths from COVID in this country (ingest bleach! ivermectin! anti-malarials!), which exceed deaths in all the wars we've ever waged (not sure if that's a precisely accurate statement)... life is not important in the frame of supreme power.

greg abbott, governor of texas, has already begun making divisive statements, blaming the other side for the massacre yesterday. Congresspeople in washington, the same.

The fact that Gosar made a false accusation here, endangering the individual who was shown in a picture that I think this tweet was addressing, isn't his concern. Even though he's since retracted the tweet, he achieved his objective. The point is the politicization of everything.

120 guns in america for every 100 people (again throwing out a statement for effect and which i've heard in the last 12 hours and which I don't want to absorb time confirming... you get the point). Apparently, some more millions of guns sold during the pandemic, which exceed already gargantuan sales in years that came before. Guns flooding everywhere. Schoolchildren's deaths in Uvalde, Texas? - maybe a conspiracy theory! It hasn't been proposed yet and it sounds far-fetched, but we've seen it before and somehow fatfuck Alex Jones still commands a big audience (or did until very recently).

the gop views every event as to how it serves the cause of exploitable division in our populace.

More guns? More crime in inner cities! Exploitable point!!! Dems are weak on crime! A scared parent casts their vote at the ballot box. "Arm the police!" yells the Congressperson, whilst patting the money in their pocket.

Shortage of baby formula? Biden's fault!!! Nothing to do with the gop's passion for de-regulation of every industry and hobbling government oversight. No, the Abbott baby formula recall due to contamination of baby formula was Biden's fault. Article link, if you wish more: GOP brought partisan attacks to the formula crisis. Biden brought a c-17 with 35 tons of formula [5.23.22, Daily Kos].

You know that book, The Sum of Us ??? by Heather McGhee? Where everything is a zero sum game: If some 'other' gains, then your side surely loses? Such that people act against their own self-interest. In this case, by opposing gun control while our children get mown down. Must be able to arm ourselves! the libertarian yells:
"Remember Ayn Rand!: "We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the
stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." Let's hurry up and make america great again! Arm the masses."

That's what I'm thinking about the day after this horrible, awful tragedy.
 
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I’m not doing well today. I had to come out to run to try and clear my head… it’s not clear yet.
I have been on and off the phone with Ian all morning.
I cried when I dropped my boy at school today and then I went back to thank the Deputy for being there out front of the school and he watched me cry.
I don’t know what to do, I want to leave, I’m not sure I can do this anymore.


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mdiver said:
I’m not doing well today. I had to come out to run to try and clear my head… it’s not clear yet.
I have been on and off the phone with Ian all morning.
I cried when I dropped my boy at school today and then I went back to thank the Deputy for being there out front of the school and he watched me cry.
I don’t know what to do, I want to leave, I’m not sure I can do this anymore.


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I've been thinking about you and Dylan's Wings, with its vital work in schools. I knew you'd be suffering in a more intimate way, today, since you've shared some of that with us. Plus, having a child in school. We need the good people. Every one. Every vote. Please, don't leave. Though I'd understand, if you do.
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I've been thinking about you and Dylan's Wings, with its vital work in schools. I knew you'd be suffering in a more intimate way, today, since you've shared some of that with us. Plus, having a child in school. We need the good people. Every one. Every vote. Please, don't leave. Though I'd understand, if you do.
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I appreciate your kind words.
We will make progress, we will do so together


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First of all, fuck Paul Gosar. He's a piece of shit, and always has been. His own brothers and sisters hate him.

Second of all, Governor Abbott and Senator Cruz can go do obscene things to themselves. They are the enablers of this. They are the ones who've fought every measure designed to keep the public safe, and repealed every measure designed to keep the wrong people from accessing assault weapons.

The truth is, America has gone with the GOP gun strategy for twenty years. That strategy is, of course, the more guns the better. That clearly and plainly has failed. Four of the worst mass shootings in recent memory have occurred right here in no-gun-restrictions Texas: (1) Santa Fe High School (8 students, 2 teachers dead, 13 wounded); (2) Sutherland Springs Church (26 killed, 22 wounded); (3) El Paso Walmart (23 killed, 23 wounded); and (4) Uvalde elementary school (21 killed, 16 wounded).

You'd have to be a complete idiot to think that the way Texas handles gun regulations is effective. It's just not. Not by any measurement. It's a total and complete failure.

So, what to do?

Pretty damn simple - do what every other developed country in the world does. How do they handle gun regulation in Switzerland? Japan? England? Germany?

Clearly those countries and all the other developed countries have better gun regulations than we do. And importantly, the citizenry hasn't had to fend off some mythical governmental attempt to do who knows what to the citizens. That, of course, is the main argument the gun lobby uses to push back against the kinds of gun regulations that an overwhelming majority of Americans support. "The gubmint's gonna come fer yer land and yer job, so you need you some guns to beat 'em back when they come!!!!!" It's a bullshit argument that hasn't once actually come to fruition in America, let alone all the other developed countries that have effective gun regulations.

All of my arguments are correct but I can guarantee you this - they will not change a single Republican mind. Not Ted Cruz's, not Gregg Abbott's, not Mitch McConnell's; not Kevin McCarthy's. They are beholden to money and power more than they are to the preservation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You're either with the shooters or you're with the victims. It's imperative that Americans vote OUT those that are with the shooters.
 
RodeoSchro said:
First of all, fuck Paul Gosar. He's a piece of shit, and always has been. His own brothers and sisters hate him.

Second of all, Governor Abbott and Senator Cruz can go do obscene things to themselves. They are the enablers of this. They are the ones who've fought every measure designed to keep the public safe, and repealed every measure designed to keep the wrong people from accessing assault weapons.

The truth is, America has gone with the GOP gun strategy for twenty years. That strategy is, of course, the more guns the better. That clearly and plainly has failed. Four of the worst mass shootings in recent memory have occurred right here in no-gun-restrictions Texas: (1) Santa Fe High School (8 students, 2 teachers dead, 13 wounded); (2) Sutherland Springs Church (26 killed, 22 wounded); (3) El Paso Walmart (23 killed, 23 wounded); and (4) Uvalde elementary school (21 killed, 16 wounded).

You'd have to be a complete idiot to think that the way Texas handles gun regulations is effective. It's just not. Not by any measurement. It's a total and complete failure.

So, what to do?

Pretty damn simple - do what every other developed country in the world does. How do they handle gun regulation in Switzerland? Japan? England? Germany?

Clearly those countries and all the other developed countries have better gun regulations than we do. And importantly, the citizenry hasn't had to fend off some mythical governmental attempt to do who knows what to the citizens. That, of course, is the main argument the gun lobby uses to push back against the kinds of gun regulations that an overwhelming majority of Americans support. "The gubmint's gonna come fer yer land and yer job, so you need you some guns to beat 'em back when they come!!!!!" It's a bullshit argument that hasn't once actually come to fruition in America, let alone all the other developed countries that have effective gun regulations.

All of my arguments are correct but I can guarantee you this - they will not change a single Republican mind. Not Ted Cruz's, not Gregg Abbott's, not Mitch McConnell's; not Kevin McCarthy's. They are beholden to money and power more than they are to the preservation of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You're either with the shooters or you're with the victims. It's imperative that Americans vote OUT those that are with the shooters.
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:clap: Thank you, Greg. Every.single.word you said is 100% true.
 
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